Sunscreen

“Yeah. Way better than Febreze or something else. What the fuck else would we do? Also, sunscreen, by the way. Think about this. If you're like on the beach or by the pool and you see someone using that say, spray sunscreen, number one, it messes up the plants and the water and everything. But if next time you notice it, someone could be 50 feet, 100 feet in any direction.”

“enough sunlight, not getting too much sunlight. You know, it's fascinating to me. 18 brands are sorry, 23 brands of sunscreen have been pulled from the market in 2018 for directly or indirectly causing skin cancer. And, you know, I used to have a chart that I would give at my stage talk showing the parabolic rise in skin cancer since the late 1980s.”

“lot of skin cancer in their history, in their family, whatever, we have to be more careful. But someone who has really healthy skin shouldn't just use 24 seven sunscreen, especially when we live in London. It's different when you go on the mountain close to the sun or in a desert or to the Mediterranean in summer, you don't go outside without sunscreen.”

“sunscreen. Yeah. Especially now in America. Yeah. In the US, you know, 18 or 23 brands of sunscreen have been pulled from the market since 2018 for correlated risk to skin cancer.”

“So what is the issue? Well, let's go back to the beginning. So you had this idea that sun exposure is probably giving people cancer, and sunscreen is good. You need to wear sunscreen. Stay out of the sun. So when you started going into the research, what made you shift your opinion?”

“And, you know, his message was wear sunscreen. Yeah. Happened to me. Well, so, I mean, yeah. So I don't want to downplay skin cancer because it sucks when you get it. You know, they have to cut. They have to cut off a hunk of your ear or something that definitely sucks, even if it's not life threatening.”

“Now, I use a natural sunscreen when I use it at all. It's the stuff that's like beef tallow based and has zinc in it. It's very white and obvious. The spray stuff goes on clear. You can't even tell you have it on, but it's very effective. But I'm always like super hesitant. I'm like, what's in that stuff that we're going to find out 15, 20 years from now?”

“and Australia for decades. And the sunscreen companies have been asking to use them and haven't been allowed to, but now they're finally going to get to use one of the main ones. And what are these ingredients? So it's called BPA.”

“They would have to test it on animals. They didn't want to get the blowback on that. There are a bunch of reasons that they weren't willing to do it. Also, I think they're a little scared what they might find. So anyway, so our sunscreens have not been nearly as good as what's used elsewhere, both in terms of performance and maybe safety suspicions.”

“So that's going to change by the end of this year. It's going to get better. Well, that's good. Are there... With the traditional sunscreen ingredients that we used to use, is there any negative health consequences of using them that they've shown? Is there any diseases that occur more readily or more frequently?”

“This was one of the things that climate change people used to say. The climate change was destroying the coral reefs. And then it turns out, actually, it's all these people that have sunscreen all over their body and they jump in the ocean and they're essentially poisoning the reef. Yeah. I mean, it's all of the above. I'm pretty sure.”

“Yeah. Well, Hawaii banned use of those sunscreen. A bunch of places banned that style of sunscreen. But they don't really check your bags though.”

“course, now some people are. Right. So it's not great for you, but it's not the worst. Yeah. There's been a bunch of studies that just looked at lifespan and sunscreen doesn't seem to have any impact whatsoever, positive or negative on lifespan. So it just might have some sort of an impact on hormonal function?”

“It started, I wrote an article for Outside back in like 2018. And I titled it, Is Sunscreen the New Margarine? Right? Ooh. So right there. That's Barclays. I was pushing buttons. Yeah. I probably, you know, in retrospect, I don't push as many buttons today.”

“like these horrible lesions on people's faces and stuff. And it's just this warning to wear sunscreen, protect yourself. They're right. Like, that's the textbook case where you've got a horrible mismatch between the population and the place. Like, super, super high levels of sun.”

“Yeah. They're the ones who need to be really careful. So for those people, sunscreen is recommended. Yeah. Or just cover up even, I think, better,? How many other people are working on this stuff? And is everybody sort of in agreement with the data, the people that are examining it?”

“So people that are, you know, sun-friendly can use GHK CU topically to alleviate some of the photo damage. Of course, the dermatologists are going to get mad at us and say, you just use sunscreen and don't get the damage in the first place. But for people that aren't as responsible, you can use GHK CU as a post-sunscreen. Listen to the derms who are slightly more sun positive.”

“is also going to block out the ability to produce vitamin D3 in our skin. That includes sunscreen. It also includes skin pigmentation. So melanin, this is the darker pigmentation that's a natural sunscreen.”