296. Dr. Jordan Rubin: The Truth About Raw Dairy and Your Gut

“In 40 days, I couldn't gain a pound the whole time. I was always sick, always weak. And one of the main things that I learned about was consuming raw dairy, which was so funny because I was in San Diego a couple of years prior getting some weird version of urine therapy.”

“And we went to make yogurt out of milk. And I accidentally bought raw dairy and my mom got scared and returned it. Oh my God. But the next time I'm in San Diego, this is going to be my healing. And so I lived in a motorhome, an RV, like 1968 Chevy bunkhouse because my mentor wanted me to breathe in ocean air and walk on the beach.”

“Tuesday and Thursday, because that's when the raw milk deliveries were. It was legal in California to buy raw dairy on the shelf, but the government was always fighting it. So some days it would be gone. And I had this little cooler with ice, no generator, couldn't afford it.”

“But how were you able to even just even put anything into the system? Did you start just by like sipping on raw dairy? Yeah, very small amounts, but I could tell it was working. Because if you gain 29 pounds in 40 days, if you have any nutrition hit your bloodstream when you're that deficient, it's like it was an epiphany because I had spent two years, I went on vegan diets.”

“It's now called the Milk Book. And I learned all the power of raw dairy. I read a book called None of These Diseases to learn the power of hygiene from a biblical perspective. And then God's Key to Health and Happiness, which encouraged me to follow what people would call a biblical or kosher diet.”

“So I'm thinking, what am I going to do? I'm surviving on raw dairy. I'm surviving on grass-fed meat. I'm mixing raw eggs in my smoothies. You know, like this is things I'm doing in the 90s. And I didn't have money.”

“And it's just been the most gratifying life you could live. And when you started the raw dairy, was it all cow dairy? Did you do goat's milk? Did you do kefir yogurts? Was there a time that, I mean, is too much, too much?”

“So it started with raw dairy. Was it raw goat's milk? It was goat first. So first. Because in Florida, when I met this man by phone, I wasn't able to travel. I got a refrigerator full of that for me. I wasn't able to travel.”

“Barbara O'Neill is the one that really turned me on to that. I mean, I've consumed raw dairy, but now I do all raw goat milk, but also kefir. Yeah, and it so it started with that. I did because my gut was so damaged, I did better with cultured or high-fat dairy.”

“Such healthy, saturated fats, MCTs, etc. Colostrum. And I had some colostrum. And then, over the years, I have consumed raw dairy for it's hard to believe almost 33 years. And every one of my children, I have six every day they're in the house, five are adopted.”

“Do you use like good grass-fed whey protein, whey protein powder? Yeah, it depends. I've created a lot of protein powders, but the base smoothie is some type of raw dairy, could be cultured, could be cream. So, right now, we have sheep and goat in the house.”

“So we don't feed them any grain and they're amazing. And then I consume raw dairy. It depends on sort of today. Well, when I get home late, I'll probably have a sheep yogurt smoothie. And I still have a sweet tooth, but I'll make healthy treats with, you know, I love ice cream.”

“The principles were there, but he wanted me to consume all this raw milk. And to your point, I couldn't handle raw dairy. I had to find kefir or cream because all that lactose and all it just wasn't able with a gut that was wrecked to be tolerated right at the time.”

“Tomorrow morning, what is it that they do? And is there a framework for, okay, if I can source raw dairy, I start by adding, you know, goat milk, kefir, maybe raw yogurt to my diet.”

“but when you're in this desperate situation, you kind of have no choice. I was home and I read a Bible verse, probably that I had read in Sunday school many times: Hebrews chapter 11, verse 1, that says, Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

“And did you have a plan? It had to be supernatural. The Bible calls it the gift of faith. And I know why, because my life revolved around feeling terrible, reading health books, listening to Christian worship music to encourage me, watching the food network, even though I could barely eat anything.”

“of cancer. I didn't put my head in the sand, pretend it didn't exist, but I said, listen, I'm healed. The Bible says I'm healed. You're just going to watch it unfold and I'll be back, but I'm taking 40 days off. And this was in the Blackberry days, which you would have said, Jordan doesn't leave his Blackberry for one second, kind of like an iPhone today.”

“And I've actually sent that to people around the world. It's in the biblio diet book. I offer it free on our website because the power of the spoken word, the Bible says death and life is in the power of the tongue. That's you speaking over yourself and others speaking over you and you speaking over others.”

“And over time, I feel like God's revealed to me, I say, health secrets from the Bible that can help anyone today, even if they don't have the means or the ability or the trust to do what I did and pretty much lead my own program.”

“But I believe the Bible over science. I believe the Bible over research. So if Jesus was referred to as the bread of life and even called himself that, I need to find out what bread is the healthiest because it can't be bad.”

“I say that because oil represents the Holy Spirit. You know, I read a scripture, Gary, post-biblio diet, because the Bible should be a book that we could read once and understand, but it's in my life a living and active book.”

“of a tea. I call it healing leaves. There are two verses in the Bible, Ezekiel 47, 12 and Revelation 22, 2, that says the fruit will be for food and the leaves for healing, or the leaves are for the healing of the nations.”

“And I need to do a better job of it, but I know I'm here on earth to continue to do that. The Bible says to whom much is given, much is expected or required. And it's my duty to help people who are on a journey and want healing. So that's how I become an ultimate human.”

“like chocolate. Because back then, chocolate was bad, carob was good, and it was not good. Got hard-boiled Easter eggs. It was, well, we were plant-based most of the time, which made it even worse. So if it was a hard-boiled Easter egg, it was made out of tofu. Oh, so, so I didn't even know what inflammatory bowel disease was in 1995, 1996.”

“I'm surviving on raw dairy. I'm surviving on grass-fed meat. I'm mixing raw eggs in my smoothies. You know, like this is things I'm doing in the 90s. And I didn't have money. I didn't have any certainly career prospects, but there's something powerful about watering faith with the seeds of hope.”

“So, I didn't have them all born to us. Raw dairy, staple in our home, raw eggs. We have our own farm, so we get our own. How do you do the raw eggs? Um, I usually use mostly yolks and I'll put them in smoothies or I'll make puddings or ice cream.”

“And I had studied sort of the early Weston price work. So I was all in. So all of these things. So raw salmon, raw meats, raw chicken, raw eggs. I've never said this publicly, Gary, but I can't lie. I did eat raw chicken once. Between you and me and whatever you eat, whoever I can tell.”

“raw eggs, raw fish, um, and fermented vegetables, um, honey, maple syrup, uh, not even uh, uh, berries, and has been the custodian of very similar stories to yours.”

“We prioritize water buffalo or Asian buffalo, which is so amazing. I love eggs. We have our own eggs and we feed them over 100 nutrient-dense fruits and vegetables a day. The food scraps from Sprouts Farmers Market. So we don't feed them any grain and they're amazing.”

“Eat the skin if it's a pasteurized or organic chicken. I love eggs. Make sure to consume them whole, but if you use them raw in smoothies, just the yolk. Bread needs to be just the yolk and smoothies raw. And why is that? The egg white contains something called avidin, which can bind to biotin.”

“Like, and when I do it, it's just like so. It's not completely runny, but the yolk is very runny. I love the eggs. They're making me hungry. Yeah, yeah. And then I love dark-colored fruits. Pomegranates, berries are great. I love consuming vegetables that are really fruits, like squashes and zucchini, et cetera.”

“So some days it would be gone. And I had this little cooler with ice, no generator, couldn't afford it. And my life literally depended on the raw dairy, usually in the form of kefir or cream. I would mix raw carrot juice with it, like they do in Europe to get the carotenoids to become more absorbable.”

“Did you do goat's milk? Did you do kefir yogurts? Was there a time that, I mean, is too much, too much? I mean, your system must have been so sensitive. Or did you, I assume you had fermented foods as well and grass-fed meats.”

“Barbara O'Neill is the one that really turned me on to that. I mean, I've consumed raw dairy, but now I do all raw goat milk, but also kefir. Yeah, and it so it started with that. I did because my gut was so damaged, I did better with cultured or high-fat dairy.”

“The principles were there, but he wanted me to consume all this raw milk. And to your point, I couldn't handle raw dairy. I had to find kefir or cream because all that lactose and all it just wasn't able with a gut that was wrecked to be tolerated right at the time.”

“you know, goat milk, kefir, maybe raw yogurt to my diet. Would you say I would start with a limited, restricted feeding window?”

“tomato and cucumber and honey. I had certain smoothies to help me detoxify that were rich in ellagic acid because of the berries. I ate raw sockeye salmon ceviche because it was high in astaxanthin and omega-3s. Were you on raw meat, raw chicken? Raw everything.”

“raw eggs, raw fish, um, and fermented vegetables, um, honey, maple syrup, uh, not even uh, uh, berries, and has been the custodian of very similar stories to yours.”

“It's just like, so it's not completely runny, but the yolk is very runny. I love eggs. They're making me hungry. Yeah, yeah. And then I love dark colored fruits. Pomegranates, berries are great. I love consuming vegetables that are really fruits, like squashes and zucchini, et cetera.”

“And I'll still probably eat once a day, maybe twice. I love sourdough einkorn bread. So the only grains I'll eat would be sort of that heirloom, lower gluten, less hybridized. And we eat kind of a beyond organic diet.”

“But I like to say the Biblio Diet's the only diet book that doesn't just allow but recommends meat, dairy, bread, fat, and salt. I know you agree with all of that.”

“But I believe the Bible over science. I believe the Bible over research. So if Jesus was referred to as the bread of life and even called himself that, I need to find out what bread is the healthiest because it can't be bad. And so we eat sourdough bread almost every day.”

“she raised goats for a ministry to give goat milk to children who weren't breastfed or people that couldn't consume anything else. And I studied the work of Bernard Jensen back in the day, who was a huge goat milk advocate. Barbara O'Neill is the one that really turned me on to that. I mean, I've consumed raw dairy, but now I do all raw goat milk, but also kefir.”

“a base of sheep or goat milk because mother's milk says proximity to human mother's milk. Yes, very similar with goat's milk. Yeah. So you're on this journey, you get this article written, you start this business, if you will, and which becomes one of the most prolific health brands ever.”

“you know, goat milk, kefir, maybe raw yogurt to my diet. Would you say I would start with a limited, restricted feeding window?”

“So we have good choice. We'll use collagen a lot of times in a smoothie. My kids have been consuming bone broth or collagen since either they were born or I've had them in the home. I even, since we adopted five kids, the infants we adopted, I made infant formula for them with 14 ingredients, always with a base of sheep or goat milk because mother's milk says proximity to human mother's milk.”

“If you eat poultry, dark meat instead of white meat, that's where the minerals are. Or make a soup and then you get collagen on top of it. Eat the skin if it's a pasteurized or organic chicken. I love eggs. Make sure to consume them whole, but if you use them raw in smoothies, just the yolk.”

“I did every therapy you can think of. I was telling you, I used nasal inhalation of hydrogen four hours a day. There was a machine that I bought back then that could quench singlet oxygen radicals, all the stuff. How did you even find out about that?”

“of all kinds of things that are stacked on each other, including that $15,000 hydrogen machine, raw foods, this wasn't practical. So I waited till God released me to share it. And really the Biblio diet's the first time in writing that I shared my story, which would be 17 years after I feel like God healed me.”

“for 13, 14 years. Gary, I went in infrared sauna two hours a day. First sauna, I drank a green juice, 64 ounces that I would freshly juice. The second one, I had fresh pressed coconut cream, tomato, and cucumber and honey.”

“I mean, all this stuff is sort of coming back around again. All the things you're doing here, I love infrared sauna. I love the idea of getting cold exposure. I love making sure that blue light is minimized and that you're balanced with circadian rhythms, blackout when you sleep.”

“So it started with raw dairy. Was it raw goat's milk? It was goat first. So first. Because in Florida, when I met this man by phone, I wasn't able to travel. I got a refrigerator full of that for me. I wasn't able to travel. You're very proud of me. And so, I found this is funny because a lot of places there's a goat lady.”

“And then you make a water, like a water buffalo whey. No, no, all dairy, all dairy. So, it's either let's call it for the average person, eight ounces of raw goat, sheep, or water buffalo milk. Those milks are all not only raw, but they're A2 naturally and they're naturally homogenized.”

“And raw in the shape. You have three raw egg yolks. Then we'll use a little raw unheated honey, then some kind of fruit, a little bit of vanilla extract. That's the base. And if you want to add, we have a plethora of proteins. We'll use organic whey. My family. Oh, your family.”

“I was drinking so much juice. Some of it I wanted to last a few days. So if you will put, excuse me, lemon juice and honey, especially the best quality unheated honey, it will preserve, it'll preserve raw juice for a number of days in glass jars. So I did that.”

“Tuesday and Thursday, because that's when the raw milk deliveries were. It was legal in California to buy raw dairy on the shelf, but the government was always fighting it. So some days it would be gone.”

“The principles were there, but he wanted me to consume all this raw milk. And to your point, I couldn't handle raw dairy. I had to find kefir or cream because all that lactose and all it just wasn't able with a gut that was wrecked to be tolerated right at the time.”

“It's five minutes long. And I've actually sent that to people around the world. It's in the biblio diet book. I offer it free on our website because the power of the spoken word, the Bible says death and life is in the power of the tongue. That's you speaking over yourself and others speaking over you and you speaking over others.”

“But I like to say the Biblio Diet's the only diet book that doesn't just allow but recommends meat, dairy, bread, fat, and salt. I know you agree with all of that.”

“But something about these foods made an impact. And I read a book, one of the three mandated books by Bud Keith. And it was called The Milk of Human Kindness is not pasteurized. Long title, but a medical doctor, William Campbell Douglas, wrote it.”

“Long title, but a medical doctor, William Campbell Douglas, wrote it. It's now called the Milk Book. And I learned all the power of raw dairy. I read a book called None of These Diseases to learn the power of hygiene from a biblical perspective.”

“Are you using like a whey protein powder? Yeah, we can use an organic whey protein and we'll have beef protein. Okay. Because I have all these ingredients, a lot of what I use comes out of mason jars, etc. I think you know Josh and I started ancient nutrition years ago.”

“So we have good choice. We'll use collagen a lot of times in a smoothie. My kids have been consuming bone broth or collagen since either they were born or I've had them in the home. I even, since we adopted five kids, the infants we adopted, I made infant formula for them with 14 ingredients, always with a base of sheep or goat milk because mother's milk says proximity to human mother's milk.”

“in gut circles. Originally, it was called the Selective Carbohydrate Diet or Food in the Gut Reaction Book. And so I worked with her directly and she helped Crohn's colitis.”

“You were juices. I did some things. Some were rejuvenating, rejuvenating things like celery. Yeah. So my main juice was celery, parsley, and peeled cucumber. And I would put a little lemon juice in and a little honey. I was drinking so much juice.”

“Such healthy, saturated fats, MCTs, etc. Colostrum. And I had some colostrum. And then, over the years, I have consumed raw dairy for it's hard to believe almost 33 years. And every one of my children, I have six every day they're in the house, five are adopted.”

“Herbs are amazing. Spices are even better. Get as much of it as you can in your diet. In the Middle East, Jesus even chastised the Pharisees and said, you tithe dill, mint, and cumin. That means that was as valuable as gold. So consume dill and mint are herbs.”

“Make sure to consume vegetables. I do not consume a lot of grain products other than sourdough or a whole grain, like a farro, which is emmer, something that is more ancient. I'll eat quinoa occasionally, but it's not sort of an everyday thing. If you eat potatoes, eat purple sweet potatoes.”

“That means that was as valuable as gold. So consume dill and mint are herbs. Cumin's a spice. We know about turmeric and ginger. Spice your food up. That will be really important. But the main revelation that the Lord gave me for the biblio diet is to consume fruit tree leaves in the form of a tea.”

“it will preserve raw juice for a number of days in glass jars. So I did that. And just to be clear, I have gone on in the last 18 years to help many, many, many people navigate a cancer journey. And what I would recommend today, it's not exactly what I would recommend then.”

“And so I worked with her directly and she helped Crohn's colitis. It didn't help me for whatever reason. So I met a Harvard doctor who developed the early research on high-dose glutamine for inflammatory bowel disease and short bowel syndrome. So I went to the best, but it wasn't until I met a man by telephone.”

“And then God's Key to Health and Happiness, which encouraged me to follow what people would call a biblical or kosher diet. So I avoided pork and shellfish. And that 40-day experience became the framework for probably my best-known book prior to the biblio diet, which was called The Maker's Diet.”

“Didn't know it back then. I consumed sourdough, heirloom, whole grain Camut bread, grass-fed beef, grass-fed. But how were you able to even just even put anything into the system? Did you start just by like sipping on raw dairy?”

“What does this typical smoothie look like? Do you use like good grass-fed whey protein, whey protein powder? Yeah, it depends. I've created a lot of protein powders, but the base smoothie is some type of raw dairy, could be cultured, could be cream.”

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“And I do this because I want people not to hear that I got it from the Greek islands, which I originally did, but I'll go on Amazon and I'll type in high polyphenolic olive oil. And I look for over a thousand milligrams of polyphenols per kilo. It's the kind that makes you cough.”

“First sauna, I drank a green juice, 64 ounces that I would freshly juice. The second one, I had fresh pressed coconut cream, tomato, and cucumber and honey. I had certain smoothies to help me detoxify that were rich in elagic acid because of the berries.”

“for Doctors and Patients, an alternative medical journal. And the diet that I used combined with this black dirt substance my dad sent me in an envelope, which was now I know as soil-based probiotics plus humic and fulvic acid-based minerals that transformed my health.”

“negative. So he makes an ice bath for me. This was way before it was cool. Wow. Throws me in there to get my fever down, walks out of the room and screams, oh my God, I don't want my son to die.”

“And I still have a sweet tooth, but I'll make healthy treats with, you know, I love ice cream. So we make our own raw ice cream recipe, which is great. And I'll still probably eat once a day, maybe twice. I love sourdough einkorn bread. So the only grains I'll eat would be sort of that heirloom, lower gluten, less hybridized.”

“But if you will get the foods right, consume a whole mineral salt. That's something that we both agree with very much wholeheartedly. So those are the basics. And you can eat meatloaf on the biblio diet.”

“I said, Dad, they're going to suspend me. And so I got a vaccine against my dad's wishes. It was called MMR. And whether or not that plus a diet when I went away to college that was high in carbs, it was like the snack well fat-free craze. Those could have been what led to it.”

“that's where the minerals are, or make a soup and then you get collagen on top of it. Eat the skin if it's a pasteurized or organic chicken. I love eggs. Make sure to consume them whole. But if you use them raw in smoothies, just the yolk. Bread needs to be- Just the yolk, not the O2.”

“That's the base. And if you want to add, we have a plethora of proteins. We'll use organic whey. My family. Oh, your family. I'm the smoothie maker. So my job in the morning is to lay out supplements and smoothies. Okay. And I've been consuming that kind of a smoothie for 30-some years.”

“It's just like, so it's not completely runny, but the yolk is very runny. I love eggs. They're making me hungry. Yeah, yeah. And then I love dark colored fruits. Pomegranates, berries are great. I love consuming vegetables that are really fruits, like squashes and zucchini, et cetera.”

“had tried 30 probiotics bottles a day, nothing worked. This worked when none other did. And so when the article was written, I asked my parents' friends if they could set up a phone line for me.”

“I would mix raw carrot juice with it, like they do in Europe to get the carotenoids to become more absorbable. Didn't know it back then. I consumed sourdough, heirloom, whole grain Camut bread, grass-fed beef, grass-fed.”

“So, it was goat dairy, then it was cow's milk kefir. Then, I consumed raw cream because that was one of the ways I gained weight. Such healthy, saturated fats, MCTs, etc. Colostrum. And I had some colostrum. And then, over the years, I have consumed raw dairy for it's hard to believe almost 33 years.”

“okay, if I can source raw dairy, I start by adding, you know, goat milk, kefir, maybe raw yogurt to, my diet. Would you say I would start with a limited restricted feeding window and putting words in your mouth and say, you know, eat your first meal at noon, eat your last meal at 8 p.m., whatever it is.”

“So I was all in. So all these things I was already consuming. So raw salmon, raw meats, raw chicken, raw eggs. I've never said this publicly, Gary, but I can't lie. I did eat raw chicken once. Between you, me, and whatever you, whoever I can tell. Yeah, exactly. So you did have raw chicken.”

“And then you make a water, like a water buffalo whey. No, no, all dairy, all dairy. So, it's either let's call it for the average person, eight ounces of raw goat, sheep, or water buffalo milk. Those milks are all not only raw, but they're A2 naturally and they're naturally homogenized.”

“for Doctors and Patients, an alternative medical journal. And the diet that I used combined with this black dirt substance my dad sent me in an envelope, which was now I know as soil-based probiotics plus humic and fulvic acid-based minerals that transformed my health.”

“And I'll still probably eat once a day, maybe twice. I love sourdough einkorn bread. So the only grains I'll eat would be sort of that heirloom, lower gluten, less hybridized. And we eat kind of a beyond organic diet.”

“Pomegranates, berries are great. I love consuming vegetables that are really fruits, like squashes and zucchini, et cetera. Make sure to consume vegetables. I do not consume a lot of grain products other than sourdough or a whole grain, like a farro, which is emmer, something that is more ancient.”

“something that is more ancient. I'll eat quinoa occasionally, but it's not sort of an everyday thing. If you eat potatoes, eat purple sweet potatoes. Why not get the most you can get out of your food? Drink pure water. And as I said before, believe, think good thoughts.”

“And jordanrubin.com. You can get the free healing prayer for cancer. You can get chapter 14 of the Biblio Diet Free, which is the healing leaves recipe. You can make it anywhere around the world if you're listening because fruit tree leaves are an abundant resource. And when we cut them, the trees grow even better.”

“So I avoided pork and shellfish. And that 40-day experience became the framework for probably my best-known book prior to the biblio diet, which was called The Maker's Diet. So I wrote that in 03, and it was very much geared towards people with autoimmune disease, inflammatory bowel disease, et cetera.”

“That means that was as valuable as gold. So consume dill and mint are herbs. Cumin's a spice. We know about turmeric and ginger. Spice your food up. That will be really important. But the main revelation that the Lord gave me for the biblio diet is to consume fruit tree leaves in the form of a tea.”

“And then you make a water, like a water buffalo whey. No, no, all dairy, all dairy. So, it's either let's call it for the average person, eight ounces of raw goat, sheep, or water buffalo milk. Those milks are all not only raw, but they're A2 naturally and they're naturally homogenized.”

“I eat it every day. I don't think it's a side dish. If you're going to consume fish, I love wild sockeye salmon. You can get it canned, you can get it frozen all year round. Not only omega-3s, but astaxanthin. If you eat poultry, dark meat instead of white meat, that's where the minerals are.”

“Pomegranates, berries are great. I love consuming vegetables that are really fruits, like squashes and zucchini, et cetera. Make sure to consume vegetables. I do not consume a lot of grain products other than sourdough or a whole grain, like a farro, which is emmer, something that is more ancient.”